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The lesson of the debacle is that nothing the IDF says can be trusted by anyone. Not ever. (Of course, that should apply to any nation’s military, and not just “the most moral army in the world”).
The article also mentions how the Israeli army doctored the flotilla audio clip
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:28 am
Dick_In_Your_Ass
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Ya know,my friend argued that israel is being framed for this fuck-up.i just don't know who the fuck to believe!
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35 am
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Dick_In_Your_Ass wrote:
Ya know,my friend argued that israel is being framed for this fuck-up.i just don't know who the fuck to believe!
Well when these things happen, ppl do go overboard. But this is not an isolated incident. This is not like the downing of KAL 007 which was an accident. This is a deliberate violation of international law on the part of Israel. I refuse to believe that the Israeli government is so stupid that they didn't realize they were in international waters
All your links show some unqualified faggots opinion.
Peter cook naval analyst, who happens to be british, has not surprisingly a different taken on it. This is something you actually want to watch from a person who is familiar with counter terrorism/piracy/warfare techniques for 20 years.
and if you still think the activists are innocent then you need to get a brain transplant ASAP.
wow, so more than 50 people was killed with PAINTGUNS? guess they're made of paper..
well the turks are islamic and they might smuggle some weapons among the toys they were carrying (those guns should've been shown to defend israels point, but that not happened yet, and it's too late now to fake it).
by attacking that ship on that waters, israel even broke their own rules. they're testing the patience of turkey (--> EU) now and if so, they gonna loose one of their ace defense card (antisemitism).
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:17 pm
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craterface wrote:
_Master_ wrote:
All your links show some unqualified faggots opinion.
Peter cook naval analyst, who happens to be british, has not surprisingly a different taken on it. This is something you actually want to watch from a person who is familiar with counter terrorism/piracy/warfare techniques for 20 years.
and if you still think the activists are innocent then you need to get a brain transplant ASAP.
wow, so more than 50 people was killed with PAINTGUNS? guess they're made of paper..
well the turks are islamic and they might smuggle some weapons among the toys they were carrying (those guns should've been shown to defend israels point, but that not happened yet, and it's too late now to fake it).
by attacking that ship on that waters, israel even broke their own rules. they're testing the patience of turkey (--> EU) now and if so, they gonna loose one of their ace defense card (antisemitism).
Word to the wise Craterface, never get confrontational with Master. Learn from Berzerker
I am not sure where you are getting the figure of 50 dead, it is, currently, at 9 [1]. However, Israel has refused to release, or even give the location of, the injured. Seeing as how the IDF beat Kenneth Nichols O'Keefe half to death [2], this is extremely disturbing. Nevertheless, the casualty could be higher than 9.
With respect to the activists having guns, even if we overlook the futility and the suicide aspect of activists getting into armed conflict with trained commandos and an entire naval fleet, then one still has to explain the fact that all the activists went through metal detectors, and thus could not have smuggled weapons aboard.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:20 pm
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craterface wrote:
...those guns should've been shown to defend israels point, but that not happened yet, and it's too late now to fake it...
That's a perfect point. If the IDF so much as found a fart on the flotilla they would of displayed as a terrorist link. They did try to fabricate the anti-semitism card, but they were caught trying to fabricate an audio clip where the activists tell them to "go back to Auschwitz"
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:07 pm
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I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:01 pm
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I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
If that's how you feel, why not do it yourself? Oh wait, that would make you a terrorist.
Hm, does that mean that Israel is a terrorist country?
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:32 pm
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Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
LMFAÖ euro vs yanks
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:07 am
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berzerker wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
If that's how you feel, why not do it yourself? Oh wait, that would make you a terrorist.
Hm, does that mean that Israel is a terrorist country?
I don't care what you "label" it as...labels mean nothing.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:53 am
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I don't care what you "label" it as...labels mean nothing.
'labels mean nothing", man, this is really deep! Being labelled a terrorist means nothing, being labeled a criminal means nothing, being labeled a child molester means nothing, man, this new insight is overwhelming.
We could use this to steer almost any discussion to labels and end the discussion right there! Example:
- Claimant: I want to kill all muslims;
- Respondant: that would make you a racist and a genocidal maniac;
- Claimant: I don't care what you "label" it as...labels mean nothing.
EOD!
So this changes the subject in this example from "is it right to kill all muslims" to "do labels have meanings"!
I.e. it's a fallacy, who would have thought that?!
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:57 am
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Dick_In_Your_Ass wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
LMFAÖ euro vs yanks
Is Canada European nowadays?
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:34 am
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Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
The way Israel is acting like a lunatic state, I wouldn't be surprised if you got your wish.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:20 am
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puk wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
The way Israel is acting like a lunatic state, I wouldn't be surprised if you got your wish.
I just want them to get you :P
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:47 am
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Suislide wrote:
puk wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I hope Israel kills everyone around them. Including Puk.
The way Israel is acting like a lunatic state, I wouldn't be surprised if you got your wish.
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