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The wounded survivors told their story to the [Turkish] Prime Minster and confirmed that the Israeli occupation soldiers attacked them and tortured to death a wounded activist.
The wounded survivors asked [President] Erdogan if they could get another aid ship, but this time to Israel and the ship loaded with "humanity" because of the lack of humanity they found in Israel.
[Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu] has sustained a blockade of Gaza, officially intended to prevent the import of weapons but in reality designed to drive its inhabitants to renounce the extremist government of Hamas.
i call this the boomerang effect. when your dealing with islamic terrorists you need to take one step further to nip the bud, well it can get your hands dirty yeah. but you need to go out there and clean up the mess before the turd hits you.
clearly any sensible person would know the moment the blockade is lifted, Hamas will 100% use it to ship in weapons. its quite clear to me that such activists are incapable of realizing the consequence or they are simply naive and believe that love and affection will change the hearts of hardcore islamic radicals.
so puk, sorry i am not buying any of this sympathetic shit.
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fuck these irritants, i have presented my elegant take on the incident, case closed, no need for further discussion. justice will prevail! go in peace.
The thing is, everything Israel has done has been illegal. They occupy Gaza illegally. When Hamas came in, they blockaded it illegally (you can not blockade a country/area if you are occupying it). They boarded a ship illegally. They, obviously, massacred people illegally. Then they were detaining, harassing and/or torturing the captured activists.
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:31 pm
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All your links show some unqualified faggots opinion.
Peter cook naval analyst, who happens to be british, has not surprisingly a different taken on it. This is something you actually want to watch from a person who is familiar with counter terrorism/piracy/warfare techniques for 20 years.
and if you still think the activists are innocent then you need to get a brain transplant ASAP.
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:44 pm
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He's a naval officer, not a lawyer. But you don't need to have a law degree to understand a few very basic concepts
1)The blockade is illegal b/c an occupying power can not impose a blockade.
2)The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) states that national territory only extends up to 12 nautical miles from the shoreline.
3)You can't attack a humanitarian vessel with commandos in international waters.
4)You can't even attack peaceful vessels WITHIN your territorial waters as per UNCLOS
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:24 pm
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puk wrote:
He's a naval officer, not a lawyer. But you don't need to have a law degree to understand a few very basic concepts
hold on right there. you put some shit links about activist getting shot in the head and some other delirious idiots describing how Israel commando's fried at them first, which is complete BS. The video on the other hand shows exactly how the whole issue started, ie the hamas workers deliberately assaulting men in uniform. only a brainless person would do that to a bunch of armed commando's. perhaps they where already prepared to die.
puk wrote:
1)The blockade is illegal b/c an occupying power can not impose a blockade.
2)The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) states that national territory only extends up to 12 nautical miles from the shoreline.
3)You can't attack a humanitarian vessel with commandos in international waters.
4)You can't even attack peaceful vessels WITHIN your territorial waters as per UNCLOS
fuck this law crap you are describing. this has no value because according to law it is not allowed to train small children to strap themselves with explosives and blow up people. where where those hypocritical UN people then? or even these peace activists celeb wannabes. Where the fuck where they in durfur? or even in sri-lankas ethinic clensing of tamils? All these laws are pretty much made for convenience sake. If these hamas characters are not following the law, why the fuck should Israel? Islamic radicals are far from civilized. If there are some devious, Islamic radicals who are bent upon intending harm to Israel, they have every right to go out protect them selves.
In ISLAM if a woman gets raped, she is lashed!!! so fuck this shit and fuck all Islamic pigs. you islamists deserve 100% all the suffering you get. there is no allah and no vestal virgins waiting for you in heaven.
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:32 pm
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Those "shit links" are witness testimony. You know, what courts rely on to convict criminals. Witness testimony from Adam Shapiro stated that the people started fighting the commandos after they saw the commandos killing people. But this is all moot since the commandos illegally boarded a ship in international waters.
I absolutely agree wrt the law. Where was the UN when, for example, in 1948 56% of Palestine was handed to the Jews which formed only 1/3 of the population. However, that is no defense for other unrelated crimes that happen
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:27 pm
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puk wrote:
Those "shit links" are witness testimony. You know, what courts rely on to convict criminals.
Which is funny because everything has shown witness testimony to be incredibly unreliable.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:06 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:14 am
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Suislide wrote:
Which is funny because everything has shown witness testimony to be incredibly unreliable.
You mean witness testimony in general or just in this case? In the former case you might wish to redo your legal system a bit, and in the latter, clearly this is refuted by the Israeli witnesses because they are incredibly reliable.
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:20 am
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It seems to be a recurring phenomenon with Israel. Apparently there is only one solution to each problem, and that is the military option with excessive force and with complete disregard to (international) law or interests of others. Like I said before, it seems reasonable to assume this will backfire.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:09 am
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Suislide wrote:
puk wrote:
Those "shit links" are witness testimony. You know, what courts rely on to convict criminals.
Which is funny because everything has shown witness testimony to be incredibly unreliable.
For the sake of argument, lets assume you are right. Instead consider the facts
1)Illegal occupation
2)Illegal blockade
3)Illegal boarding in international waters.
Edit: Could you please clarify one "everything".
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:25 am
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Master, that article claims the humanitarian aid was an act of provocation. It makes me wonder why Israel didn't just wait until the flotilla entered Israeli waters before attacking it? Why didn't they just disable the ship? Why didn't they give warning that they were boarding (as the commandos claim they were expecting no resistance)?
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:35 am
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I thought this quote was interesting
The Guardian wrote:
Because the army is conscripted, Israeli society and its military are intimately bound and, as a consequence, the army is trusted to tell the truth.
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