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But he wrote "it was about the blockade which hamas wanted to use so that they could smuggle in weapons, so they got some dumb peace workers to front for them" is this not mere fact? These boats were crammed with sentries that's why the invading commando's thought they were being attacked by peace workers! They were not so smart to hack the sentries though; anyone who had played games like System Shock, Bioshock or Deus Ex would have figured that out, they probably do not play such games in israel.
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:29 am
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Alez wrote:
But he wrote "it was about the blockade which hamas wanted to use so that they could smuggle in weapons, so they got some dumb peace workers to front for them" is this not mere fact?
First he would have to prove that Hamas was smuggling in weapons. To do that, he would have to prove that Hamas can smuggle in weapons (last I checked, the blockade is illegal). Then he would have to prove that the peace workers were just a front. My issue is that he assumes all these as facts.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:19 pm
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Puk master dudez,quick question;for my programming and soon-lite modding,what kind of rig should i be sporting(what specs are recommended)for optimal running of code?
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:55 pm
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Dick_In_Your_Ass wrote:
Puk master dudez,quick question;for my programming and soon-lite modding,what kind of rig should i be sporting(what specs are recommended)for optimal running of code?
The short answer: you can use a computer from 10 years ago.
As long as you use Linux, you can use any old computer for programming. If you intend to use windows, and intend to have several IDE's open, then buy a computer that's powerful enough to run those. The exception to this is if you plan to do graphically extensive programming (OpenGL/directx). I don't have any experience in that field.
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:12 pm
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And the long answer?now im going to have 2 find my linux cd's. fuck atleast iv got these football/soccer holidays
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:30 pm
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The long answer is that in computer science, time is relative. If an algorithm is so complex that it is slowing your computer down, then you can just run it on a smaller subset. But, in practice you won't ever get to that. Programs really only slow your computer down if they have a lot of graphical elements in there, like windows. Unless you're making a program that has an array of 500 billion names, you should be fine with a computer from 5 or 10 years ago.
However, if you only need to do a course of programming, and have never used Linux. STAY AWAY FROM LINUX. The learning curve on linux is unreal. If ever down the road you need to install something in linux (header files, libraries, templates...) you are fucked.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:07 am
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puk wrote:
However, if you only need to do a course of programming, and have never used Linux. STAY AWAY FROM LINUX. The learning curve on linux is unreal. If ever down the road you need to install something in linux (header files, libraries, templates...) you are fucked.
I never heard this before, why would installing something be so troublesome in Linux? I would think precisely if you only need to do a programming course Linux would seem the obvious choice; all tools you need are normally in the standard distribution at no (additional) cost (I've never seen Windows come standard with a compiler), there is no need to use Windows for this, and you learn to use Linux best by actually putting it to use anyway.
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:26 am
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berzerker wrote:
puk wrote:
However, if you only need to do a course of programming, and have never used Linux. STAY AWAY FROM LINUX. The learning curve on linux is unreal. If ever down the road you need to install something in linux (header files, libraries, templates...) you are fucked.
I never heard this before, why would installing something be so troublesome in Linux? I would think precisely if you only need to do a programming course Linux would seem the obvious choice; all tools you need are normally in the standard distribution at no (additional) cost (I've never seen Windows come standard with a compiler), there is no need to use Windows for this, and you learn to use Linux best by actually putting it to use anyway.
Linux almost always comes with most of the compilers installed. I once made the mistake of installing it without the C compiler, and there is almost no way to install a C compiler. To do that, you need a C compiler, and it is very tricky to prime the pump. With other things, such as, for example Firefox, it's pretty easy b/c it comes with an installer that works almost all the time. If it's something like VLC for Debian Linux there are binaries, and if all goes well, it should install painlessly. However, if it's something like GTK you have to build it from source
Building programs from source involves issuing the following three commands
>./configure
>make
>make install
However, you will almost certainly get an error as it claims your XYZ library is out of date or missing so you have to install that, more often than not, from source. So you put this installation on halt while you go try to download that and install it. That will, more often than not, complain that your 123 library is out of date. Repeat ad nauseaum. Other times you may have successfully updated a program/library, but the older one still resides, and the installer complains that it can't find the new one. Deleting programs is almost harder than installing them.
All of this is made even more painful by complaining to a linux advocate that installing programs is too difficult in Linux, only to have him claim with smug arrogance that most programs have binaries that are easily installed.
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:00 am
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All of this is made even more painful by complaining to a linux advocate that installing programs is too difficult in Linux, only to have him claim with smug arrogance that most programs have binaries that are easily installed.
But he is right, isn't he? You have 2 ways to go: the quick way (using a binary, this is easy but comes at the cost of, basically, performance) or the advanced way, which gives you full control but is more troublesome. In such a situation it seems unfair to pick the advanced way and then complain that it is troublesome.
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:24 am
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In such a situation it seems unfair to pick the advanced way and then complain that it is troublesome.
But you are assuming that binaries always exist, and that they exist for all platforms of Linux.
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:35 am
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In such a situation it seems unfair to pick the advanced way and then complain that it is troublesome.
But you are assuming that binaries always exist, and that they exist for all platforms of Linux.
Yes, that's what I assumed, this is not the case?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:35 am
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berzerker wrote:
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But you are assuming that binaries always exist, and that they exist for all platforms of Linux.
Yes, that's what I assumed, this is not the case?
Don't take my word for it, lets do some google searches and see what we come up with
GTK:
you have to issue the command
"git clone git://git.gnome.org/gtk+" but I don't have "git", so lets try to install that
Git, and from here go to [url=http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/RPMS ]RPM[/url] and lets choose i386 and that's when I gave up
I don't mind installing from source, but I get very frustrated when I spend several hours and in the end get nowhere.
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:09 am
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Let me reiterate my position on building from the source: I think it's a good approach, and it allows for customization of programs. My only concern is that it requires a knowledge that most advanced users, and definitely all casual users, lack about the Linux operating system.
For me, it makes no difference whether I install from source, or from binaries. All I ask is that it install successfully.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:15 am
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HOLY SHIT!!!....its only been like a week and i see heaps and heaps of dung pasted all over the forums.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:17 am
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We give you facts, you give us far fetched theories, and we are the ones who "spread misinformation"
its simple your facts mislead your thinking, churning misinfomation
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:20 am
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puk wrote:
We give you facts, you give us far fetched theories, and we are the ones who "spread misinformation"
its simple your facts mislead your thinking, churning misinfomation
I'm curious, did your absence have anything to do with the overwhelming evidence in support of Israel being a "Lunatic State"?
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:28 am
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First he would have to prove that Hamas was smuggling in weapons. To do that, he would have to prove that Hamas can smuggle in weapons
thats like saying you need to prove that inmates fuck each other in the ass you need to prove that. yeah i think the only way to do that is to become an undercover inmate and get fucked in the ass yourself
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(last I checked, the blockade is illegal).
please check again then, because is not illegal.
puk wrote:
Then he would have to prove that the peace workers were just a front.
see my elegant newspaper clipping posted earlier
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My issue is that he assumes all these as facts.
i dont know about you, but if i sense trouble i will take all the necessary precautions before expecting some1 to stick a knife in my back rather than leisurely analyzing the facts in the ICU
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:29 am
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Dick_In_Your_Ass wrote:
Puk master dudez,quick question;for my programming and soon-lite modding,what kind of rig should i be sporting(what specs are recommended)for optimal running of code?
i think your should consider different possible career paths
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:31 am
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Dick_In_Your_Ass wrote:
And the long answer?now im going to have 2 find my linux cd's. fuck atleast iv got these football/soccer holidays
fuck it, play football, develop those muscular thighs, do squats, party and get laied
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:34 am
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puk wrote:
Don't take my word for it, lets do some google searches and see what we come up with
GTK:
you have to issue the command
"git clone git://git.gnome.org/gtk+" but I don't have "git", so lets try to install that
Git, and from here go to [url=http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/RPMS ]RPM[/url] and lets choose i386 and that's when I gave up
I don't mind installing from source, but I get very frustrated when I spend several hours and in the end get nowhere.
very nice story.
A smart person in fedora would do
"yum install gtk"
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