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Some scientific background. Many people I know use drugs all the time, no one seems to have been affected in any way. I see persons dying because of tobacco on the other hand.
then clearly you are very very ill informed about drugs as i suggested earlier.
Everyone does drugs: students, parents, doctors, pilots, cops, lawyers (especially lawyers). It truly is hypocrisy when we throw dealers in jail. Might as well through the cable company and the oil industry in jail too.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:41 pm
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berzerker wrote:
He does not want to discuss once being proved wrong or using false or incorrect arguments. Some surprise there!
unlike you i have real experience on the matter, i have met with several psychologists in person and interacted with addicts who have revovered from drug rehab centers to hear their horrific experiences. so my knowledge is from real world professionals and addicts affected, unlike your pesudo search engine knowledge. So dont jump into any kind of conclusion as you usually like to do. better stick to impressing the kids at vgs.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:46 pm
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How is me smoking a joint the same as me raping a woman. Or murdering a man?
ok if you put it that way its not. but what are you gonna do when some1 has too many puffs and drives and creates an accident? if you cant legally get drugs, then the peddler should be held responsible.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:51 pm
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Everyone does drugs: students, parents, doctors, pilots, cops, lawyers (especially lawyers). It truly is hypocrisy when we throw dealers in jail. Might as well through the cable company and the oil industry in jail too.
people need to realize consequences that happen when you do substance abuse. i am not interested in hypocrisy, i know for certain if you throw in strict laws for peddlers then illegal drug distribution will be curbed. if you wanna legalize it, its another thing. But yes throw in the peddlers. And if your feeling bad, join in with him. As for oil/cable sure, but one thing at a time.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:54 pm
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puk wrote:
How is me smoking a joint the same as me raping a woman. Or murdering a man?
ok if you put it that way its not. but what are you gonna do when some1 has too many puffs and drives and creates an accident? if you cant legally get drugs, then the peddler should be held responsible.
There has to be a technical term for the tactic you are using here. Is this anecdotal?
You could make it illegal to drive while under the influence. That I agree with. But your argument isn't supporting criminalization of drugs.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:10 pm
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puk wrote:
There has to be a technical term for the tactic you are using here. Is this anecdotal?
tactic ?
puk wrote:
But your argument isn't supporting criminalization of drugs.
my opinion on the subject is not gonna change the existing laws. hopefully when it is done, if ever, i hope they take the clinical case studies and opinions of established physiologists on the matter
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:48 pm
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ok if you put it that way its not. but what are you gonna do when some1 has too many puffs and drives and creates an accident? if you cant legally get drugs, then the peddler should be held responsible.
So the user is not responsible for his own behaviour? Doesn't sound very american to me. If he is responsible himself there is no need to get the dealer into the picture at all, and certainly not to put his crime (selling a substance with mutual approval of the buyer and the seller, man that is hideous) on one line with murder, mass murder even in your book.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:01 pm
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i know for certain if you throw in strict laws for peddlers then illegal drug distribution will be curbed. if you wanna legalize it, its another thing.
Yes of course it must be legalised! There are strict laws against drugs distribution now already and look what this has lead to.
BTW it is interesting to note that the country with probably the most lenient approach to drugs has relatively so few problem users (link here), but of course you're more interested in your own petty experience than in wider facts so this is wasted information.
The problem with most drugs is not that it is so dangerous to users but that it is made illegal and therefore very profitable to deal with this stuff. If you can get rich so quickly with drugs, why would you study, find a job etc? Of course stupid users can abuse the substance or can use the wrong drugs, but there are other ways to deal with that than making it illegal, as the link above evidences.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:09 pm
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puk wrote:
_Master_ wrote:
puk wrote:
How is me smoking a joint the same as me raping a woman. Or murdering a man?
ok if you put it that way its not. but what are you gonna do when some1 has too many puffs and drives and creates an accident? if you cant legally get drugs, then the peddler should be held responsible.
There has to be a technical term for the tactic you are using here. Is this anecdotal?
He's changing the topic all the time.
And it makes so little sense that it is hard to know where to begin refuting it. Now apparently the argument is that if someone uses drugs, someone must be held responsible, and that someone must not be the user (the only reason apparently being that that is someone he personally knows) so it must be the person from whom he bought the stuff completely out of free will. Some logic!
The comparison to mass murder, with which this all started, has vanished completely in the mean time, as so has the aim of bringing logic to law which he so vigorously fought for, since what could be the logic of going after someone else than the user (unless this was forced upon him)?
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:20 pm
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berzerker wrote:
Anyway, 1 person you know, some scientific background! Many people I know use drugs all the time, no one seems to have been affected in any way. People die of use of tobacco all the time on the other hand, but of course this is completely different.
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Wow, that sure is some irrefutable evidence.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:20 pm
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W. Burroughs said something like this: Everyone can be replaceable in this piramid except the ones on the lowest: the users. He thinks that the only possible way to stop drugs once and for all is not to capture or kill the dealers or producers, they can be replaced any time and the waiting line is way too long even now. But if they can't sell it out of the lack of interest, or hell know how, the drugs all become useless.
He wrote this in one of his book called Naked Lunch, which was... quite gruesome to say the least.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:27 pm
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berzerker wrote:
Anyway, 1 person you know, some scientific background! Many people I know use drugs all the time, no one seems to have been affected in any way. People die of use of tobacco all the time on the other hand, but of course this is completely different.
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IMHO if you use drugs, some tobacco or drink alcohol you are just plain stupid, but I told you before and you knocked me out with the brilliant question if I was 11 years old, so I guess you are a heavy drinker, suit yourself.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:35 pm
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berzerker wrote:
Suislide wrote:
berzerker wrote:
Anyway, 1 person you know, some scientific background! Many people I know use drugs all the time, no one seems to have been affected in any way. People die of use of tobacco all the time on the other hand, but of course this is completely different.
!
Wow, that sure is some irrefutable evidence.
Here you have some more:
- US
- Canada
IMHO if you use drugs, some tobacco or drink alcohol you are just plain stupid.
it's just plain stupid to get out something like this from the stuff above. yea much more people die from tobacco because like... hell know, 1/3 of the world smokes. on the other hand much less of them use drugs.
this bullshit reminds me when they tell me that "there are much more accidents on the road then in the air, thus travelling by plane is far more safe." don't care about shit like that on the rare occasion when flying, but this is just the logic of idiots. most people drives a car, but rarely of them do the same with a plane. the only thing that counts is the proportion.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:40 pm
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it's just plain stupid to get out something like this from the stuff above. yea much more people die from tobacco because like... hell know, 1/3 of the world smokes. on the other hand much less of them use drugs.
this bullshit reminds me when they tell me that "there are much more accidents on the road then in the air, thus travelling by plane is far more safe." don't care about shit like that on the rare occasion when flying, but this is just the logic of idiots. the only thing that counts is the proportion.
If I had to make a government policy to improve the health of my population, I would tackle the largest causes of death, irrespective of the proportion. And in most countries almost everyone uses or has used drugs, if it was so dangerous and / or addictive, why are these numbers so low? It can hardly be because of the lobby of the drugs industry, can it?
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:00 pm
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So the user is not responsible for his own behaviour? Doesn't sound very american to me. If he is responsible himself there is no need to get the dealer into the picture at all, and certainly not to put his crime (selling a substance with mutual approval of the buyer and the seller, man that is hideous) on one line with murder, mass murder even in your book.
dear dodo, i did not say put the dealer in jail for an accident committed by X. If drugs are illegal and you are selling it, the act is is illegal as well and so just by that simple logic, if you can ever understand it , the peddler should be jailed.
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:02 pm
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berzerker wrote:
The problem with most drugs is not that it is so dangerous to users but that it is made illegal and therefore very profitable to deal with this stuff.
The funniest case was in Columbia. When the criminalized cocaine, the trade was taken underground and it became tax free :P
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:03 pm
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berzerker wrote:
He's changing the topic all the time.
And it makes so little sense that it is hard to know where to begin refuting it. Now apparently the argument is that if someone uses drugs, someone must be held responsible, and that someone must not be the user (the only reason apparently being that that is someone he personally knows) so it must be the person from whom he bought the stuff completely out of free will. Some logic!
I thought we were talking about the middle east? I don't want to play this game anymore.
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:03 pm
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berzerker wrote:
He's changing the topic all the time.
No i have not changed the topic, instead every time i reply i get vague illogical references from a history lesson. if your gonna ask my opinion about other topic then yeah it has been sidetracked because you asked the wrong question in the first place.
also everytime i asked for a solution to the problem you never gave a direct reply. whts to make of this ? who is the hypocrite?
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:05 pm
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Suislide wrote:
berzerker wrote:
Anyway, 1 person you know, some scientific background! Many people I know use drugs all the time, no one seems to have been affected in any way. People die of use of tobacco all the time on the other hand, but of course this is completely different.
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Wow, that sure is some irrefutable evidence.
he is just plain stupid dr dick
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:08 pm
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craterface wrote:
it's just plain stupid to get out something like this from the stuff above. yea much more people die from tobacco because like... hell know, 1/3 of the world smokes. on the other hand much less of them use drugs.
this bullshit reminds me when they tell me that "there are much more accidents on the road then in the air, thus travelling by plane is far more safe." don't care about shit like that on the rare occasion when flying, but this is just the logic of idiots. most people drives a car, but rarely of them do the same with a plane. the only thing that counts is the proportion.
I can't follow that train of thought, so I don't know if I agree with you or not, but I think it's all about the numbers. Sarin gas is deadly, but I don't think it's more dangerous than tobacco/alcohol b/c nobody uses Sarin recreationally. Also, Sadam is dead.
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