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Looks like you took the bait, time for my educational show boating
look man i too dont have time to sift through all of that stuff you quoted.
didn't see that one coming...
_Master_ wrote:
what is the of contribution Islamic nations nations post world war II? obviously jihad, oil and burka can be left out. so please enlighten us puk with your educational show boating.
By Islamic nations do you mean all of them (ie. Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, Morroco) or just the middle east? I don't know what they've contributed. However, I am not blind to the fact that here in the west we seem to think that the rest of the world is inhabited by savages and barbarians. Therefore, I can't say they have accomplished nothing. Not without someone later stating that I am wrong
I will state, however, that the majority of Islamic countries are not affluent (loose wording, I know). Furthermore, of the Rich countries, very few are muslim. Those that are: Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, are either corrupt or they invest in other things like construction, land, airplanes, US treasury... That could be one reason why they don't appear on the nobel prize
If you did a correlation of wealth to Nobel Laureates, I think you'd find that correlates more closely. Therefore, America will have a lot on there, followed by, in no particular order, Britain, Japan, Germany, France, Canada... I doubt they have Ivy League schools in Tehran or Baghdad
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:40 am
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puk wrote:
_Master_ wrote:
what is the of contribution Islamic nations nations post world war II?
By Islamic nations do you mean all of them (ie. Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, Morroco) or just the middle east? I don't know what they've contributed. However, I am not blind to the fact that here in the west we seem to think that the rest of the world is inhabited by savages and barbarians. Therefore, I can't say they have accomplished nothing.
I would think this is a hard to answer question for any country. What has for example England 'contributed' after WWII? I couldn't tell. Yeah, they have nukes, but Pakistan has those too.
BTW the habit of looking down on others is not typically western, the Chinese and Japanese seem to do this even more. I guess everyone wil be inclined to prefer his own group over other groups. It seems to be part of the mechanism that keeps groups from falling apart all the time.
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:28 am
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berzerker wrote:
I would think this is a hard to answer question for any country. What has for example England 'contributed' after WWII? I couldn't tell. Yeah, they have nukes, but Pakistan has those too.
The issue becomes even more complicated since we only measure contribution based on our standards. So educational and financial investment we consider to be contribution, things like Islamic unity we don't care about. I think it's because Europe, being the first to industrialized, and being so powerful, exported all their ideas to the rest of the world (civilization to the barbarians through Rome--city states, then Christianity --religious states, then christian monarchies b/c of the feud between England and France --nation states, finally the Industrial revolution leading to where we're at now) I think it's only natural that we gauge others based on our own standards. Sort of like how the early IQ tests were designed to single out foreigners and the poor by asking questions which only people with access to media could answer (ie. famous actors, athletes...)
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BTW the habit of looking down on others is not typically western, the Chinese and Japanese seem to do this even more. I guess everyone wil be inclined to prefer his own group over other groups. It seems to be part of the mechanism that keeps groups from falling apart all the time.
you're absolutely right
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:42 pm
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puk wrote:
By Islamic nations do you mean all of them
you know exactly what it means. nations where islam is used to politically control the people in every way.
puk wrote:
That could be one reason why they don't appear on the nobel prize
the only reason why they dont get nobel or any kind of achievement for human development is because of their primitive Islamic thought processes.
puk wrote:
If you did a correlation of wealth to Nobel Laureates, I think you'd find that correlates more closely. Therefore, America will have a lot on there, followed by, in no particular order, Britain, Japan, Germany, France, Canada... I doubt they have Ivy League schools in Tehran or Baghdad
yes that is because of they are non-islamic
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:59 pm
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berzerker wrote:
I would think this is a hard to answer question for any country.
no its is not if you are aware of the world we live in. you can talk about scientific inventions, discoveries, space program contributions, arts, music..etc to name a few.
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What has for example England 'contributed' after WWII? I couldn't tell. Yeah, they have nukes, but Pakistan has those too.
having nukes is not a big deal. btw Pakistan stole nukes, they didnt have the technological capability to make it on their own. Mr A Q Khan stole nuclear secrets from a Dutch laboratory.
To help you in answering the question "What has for example England 'contributed' after WWII?". Ask yourself why people from islamic countries come to europ/uk/us for jobs and not the other way around?
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BTW the habit of looking down on others is not typically western, the Chinese and Japanese seem to do this even more. I guess everyone wil be inclined to prefer his own group over other groups. It seems to be part of the mechanism that keeps groups from falling apart all the time.
no its not about looking another one down. you would have to be pretty naive to believe it it was so. Is is about the menace of radical islam we have today in our world. How islam is spreading to other countries and subtly imposing their primitive cultural ways. We all know this too well with the burka and their propensity to have multiple wifes is a drain on todays world with strained economic resources.
almost every day we can see some nonsense about some idiotic islamic law being violated from the quran. So this is in fact about power religious idealism that is using violence and contorted ways of reasoning standing in the path against human progress and development.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:07 pm
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puk wrote:
I think it's because Europe, being the first to industrialized, and being so powerful, exported all their ideas to the rest of the world (civilization to the barbarians through Rome--city states, then Christianity --religious states, then christian monarchies b/c of the feud between England and France --nation states, finally the Industrial revolution leading to where we're at now) I think it's only natural that we gauge others based on our own standards.
i see the game you are trying to play, but your only fooling yourself with that reasoning. Yes industrialized nations did try to enforce their ideology on other nations. But islam has no right to use jihad and blow up innocents in the name of religion. And islamic countries also have done no less. Luckily the western nations happened to have the upper hand, otherwise you would be seeing burka chicks every where and living in the dark ages. No computer, no games, no vgs, no forum topics. Only 24 hour quran reading and multiple wife fucking and breeding. btw if you are feeling so bad about it, you should have stayed back home in the middle east and help your country to develop. Why goto europe and across if they are infidels? You go because you enjoy economic prosperity, because back home life is hard. Western culture is open to experimentation but Islam is strictly not. So by encouraging Islamic groups for more privileges in a western society, is directly counterproductive on the western ideas for equality and freedom.
Yes industrialized nations did try to enforce their ideology on other nations. But islam has no right to use jihad and blow up innocents in the name of religion.
No one here says they do so this is not in dispute.
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And islamic countries also have done no less. Luckily the western nations happened to have the upper hand, otherwise you would be seeing burka chicks every where and living in the dark ages. No computer, no games, no vgs, no forum topics. Only 24 hour quran reading and multiple wife fucking and breeding.
You do not know that. AFAIK the middle east was quite civilised a few hunderd years ago with pretty good scientists and a moderate form of religion etc. They seem to have taken taken the wrong turn since then, but you do not know what would have happened if, for example, they had not been bullied around by the British and French.
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So by encouraging Islamic groups for more privileges in a western society, is directly counterproductive on the western ideas for equality and freedom.
They get the same freedoms here as everyone else, we would not live up to our own standards otherwise.
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:26 am
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Jihad is just an Islamic duty. Fundamentalists take it too far and in doing so they give muslims a bad name. I think you are getting caught up on Muslims though. Evengelicals are just as bad when they blame 9/11 happening b/c of sinners, and how all non Christians will go to hell after the apocolypse happens. Same with Zionists who believe in wiping out all those that stand in their way of securing Israel.
I firmly believe that zionists are worse than islamic fundamentalist by simply contrasting minor terrorist acts against the grosse violations of human rights committed by Israel
its all good. islam is a conservative religion. radical islam is more conservative than conservative Christianity so you would need more acts like this to start the process of balance.
also in Saudi Arabia would they even appoint a christian in the administration to question carrying quran to school ? or oppose the unnecessary interruptions for timely prayers thru out the day? that would mean the end of education in those countries. or even allow expression of such views? hail fucking no!!
another delightful news is belgium may soon ban burka...just reading that news makes my day bright !!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:05 am
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puk wrote:
Jihad is just an Islamic duty. Fundamentalists take it too far and in doing so they give muslims a bad name. I think you are getting caught up on Muslims though.
dude radial islam is every where and gaining popularity all over the world. i cant say the same for other religions.
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Evengelicals are just as bad when they blame 9/11 happening b/c of sinners, and how all non Christians will go to hell after the apocolypse happens.
but you dont see knights go on holy crusades.
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Same with Zionists who believe in wiping out all those that stand in their way of securing Israel.
no its not the same. jihand is global problem, Israel problem on the other hand is specific to the borders around Israel.
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I firmly believe that zionists are worse than islamic fundamentalist by simply contrasting minor terrorist acts against the grosse violations of human rights committed by Israel
i disagree.
Muslims like to spread around and reverse the development of human society back to the middle ages. Israel probably knows this and doing the needful.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:15 am
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I love you Europeans and your Zionist talk. Always based out of ignorance and antisemitism which is rapidly prevalent among Europe.
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:33 am
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Suislide wrote:
I love you Europeans and your Zionist talk. Always based out of ignorance and antisemitism which is rapidly prevalent among Europe.
Who are you referring to and on what grounds exactly? The topic is not even about jews any more so this seems to make no sense at all (such a surprise).
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:47 am
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berzerker wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I love you Europeans and your Zionist talk. Always based out of ignorance and antisemitism which is rapidly prevalent among Europe.
Who are you referring to and on what grounds exactly?
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:19 pm
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What the bump is this?
Bump you all!
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:39 pm
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berzerker wrote:
Suislide wrote:
I love you Europeans and your Zionist talk. Always based out of ignorance and antisemitism which is rapidly prevalent among Europe.
Who are you referring to and on what grounds exactly? The topic is not even about jews any more so this seems to make no sense at all (such a surprise).
Someone mentioned it. You find it. I'm lazy.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:30 am
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I love you and your Zionist talk. Always based out of ignorance and antisemitism which is rapidly prevalent among the US.
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