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The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
Economics:
(zero)
Physics:
(zero)
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
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The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000
Only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
196 2 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - P eter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE!
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The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel '.
To this list you may add the name of Robert Adler the inventor of the remote control ,an Austrian Jew who revolutionized the way we watch TV, use cell phones,key less entry to cars,homes and offices, and a host of other applications including space and defense.
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:47 am
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LOL
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The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
Jews do not need to do any of those things because they have a goverment (and army and secret service) that does it for them.
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:03 am
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berzerker wrote:
LOL
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The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
Jews do not need to do any of those things because they have a goverment (and army and secret service) that does it for them.
I agree, but a couple of things:
"There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church."
-There was that Al Aqsa Mosque incident where the Israelis put tanks in front of the mosque right during prayer time (very provocative), and when the people came out, they started throwing stones, and the army fired on them (Apparantley the IDF didn't opt for the anti-stone armor). Imagine if Hezbulla put rocketeers in front of the Vatican during Sunday mass.
"There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people."
-Well there are the Israeli settlements which are illegal and they kill Palestinians all the time. And with total impunity. To put this in perspective, imagine if Iran moved into England, took over all of London, then started building settlements in Oxford, where the Iranian military just shoots and British people that get in their way, and then I (an Iranian) said "There is not a single Iranian that protests by killing people"
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:11 am
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puk wrote:
"There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church."
-There was that Al Aqsa Mosque incident where the Israelis put tanks in front of the mosque right during prayer time (very provocative), and when the people came out, they started throwing stones, and the army fired on them (Apparantley the IDF didn't opt for the anti-stone armor).
thats very good, i hope they continue to do more activities like this.
puk wrote:
Imagine if Hezbulla put rocketeers in front of the Vatican during Sunday mass.
Palestine is hardly the Vatican for Muslim ppl as Israel is for jews. Muslims spread like disease in all parts of the world, spreading jihad and fanaticism. whether you like it or not, it is a fact.
puk wrote:
Well there are the Israeli settlements which are illegal and they kill Palestinians all the time. And with total impunity.
Excellent!! do why know why? because they 100% deserve it and more. Muslims terrorise people all over the world and do jihad. They spoil cultures of other countries by their stupid fucking logic - eg veil over the head and consider non believers infidels. Their contribution to science and technology is almost zero. They spend all their day praying to allah and preping up for suicide missions. They are jealous of other ppls achievements and want them to come down to their level. So if they are getting killed, it is very very good for mankind
puk wrote:
To put this in perspective, imagine if Iran moved into England, took over all of London, then started building settlements in Oxford, where the Iranian military just shoots and British people that get in their way, and then I (an Iranian) said "There is not a single Iranian that protests by killing people"
well thats a lot of ifs and buts. But you dont need to do that, cause the Muslims have already have taken over Europe. there are so many of them in uk!! By following Muslim rules and keeping 4 wifes, their offspring's too will learn the way of fanaticism and jihad and build a new world where science and technology die.
The only good things about islam is the radical punishment for bad crimes. Eg if you steal or do drugs, your hand will be chopped off or face swift execution. imo we should adopt this all over the work. this will definitely deter the drug peddlers and the junkies.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:34 am
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_Master_ wrote:
The only good things about islam is the radical punishment for bad crimes. Eg if you steal or do drugs, your hand will be chopped off or face swift execution. imo we should adopt this all over the work. this will definitely deter the drug peddlers and the junkies.
I remember from my study that it has been established (scientifically) over and over again that higher punishments does not deter criminals. Junkies, for example, will commit crimes because they need drugs and no matter what the penalties will be, they will do this. Severer punishment does not take away their need for drugs in any way. And apparently criminals hardly ever take the chance that they might be caught into consideration when deciding upon their criminal activities.
Chop off someone's hand if he stole a bread and next time he will use his other hand because he still needs to eat and with one hand missing his chances of getting an opportunity to get his bread the proper way are even slimmer than they were before.
BTW the US has pretty severe punishments (from a European view that is) already (but still has one of the higher crime rates in the world BTW), do you really want to expand on those, particularly when combined with probably one of the worst legal systems in the civilized world?
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:01 am
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I think you have a great deal of anger. Plus you're wrong on almost every point.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:25 pm
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berzerker wrote:
I remember from my study that it has been established (scientifically) over and over again that higher punishments does not deter criminals.
in every case hardcore individuals are not going to change their ways, they are wired that way. So if they are not going to change, then the best way is to silence them. Saves money, infrastructure and brings peace....yes at a cost, because nothing falls down on your lap automatically even peace.
berzerker wrote:
Junkies, for example, will commit crimes because they need drugs and no matter what the penalties will be, they will do this. Severer punishment does not take away their need for drugs in any way.
this category is a blot that no one wants to handle. Cops dont want to deal with them, because if they are put in common lockups & they dont get their fix they can get uncontrollable and smash their head against the wall. then you have these human rights silly idiots giving trouble. so cops tend to leave them, because you need special single cells to handle these lunatics. And once you are an addict, you always are. So why not simply finish them off. It saves infrastructure and cleans up the streets, also it helps to cut down on the unproductive population.
Such people dont understand logic, compassion and money earned thru hard-hard work. Its pointless to rehab them and waste millions on dollars. Just because they have a human body doesnt mean they should get all the liberties and freedoms a normal human enjoys. In a flick of a moment they can end up back on drugs again.
To deal with such people they should be sent for immediate execution, this is the most logical way, because they understand only one thing =>FEAR. And anyone who does not think so is naive and has not deal with such people.
berzerker wrote:
Chop off someone's hand if he stole a bread and next time he will use his other hand because he still needs to eat and with one hand missing his chances of getting an opportunity to get his bread the proper way are even slimmer than they were before.
Ok point noted. But think hi profile, not bread thief. like armed robbery..etc
berzerker wrote:
BTW the US has pretty severe punishments (from a European view that is) already (but still has one of the higher crime rates in the world BTW), do you really want to expand on those, particularly when combined with probably one of the worst legal systems in the civilized world?
YES absolutely! Harshest penalty for rapists, robbers, peddlers and junkies. freedom we enjoy here is a great thing, but freedom should not be misused.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:32 pm
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puk wrote:
I think you have a great deal of anger.
i cant stand irrational logic based on some stupid religious text books. it is sad to see people waste their lifetime molding their beliefs on a religious book. Except for the perhaps 1% truth, the rest is all fairy tales.
puk wrote:
Plus you're wrong on almost every point.
i have provided figures and facts, can you do the same? if not your reply has no weight.
and while you are at it, you could also read
this
some food for thought.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:12 pm
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_Master_ wrote:
i cant stand irrational logic based on some stupid religious text books. it is sad to see people waste their lifetime molding their beliefs on a religious book. Except for the perhaps 1% truth, the rest is all fairy tales.
I am not educated in scripture (bible, torah, koran) but I am familiar with the origins of christianity. I support the Christian belief of rejection of personal gains at the cost of spiritual fulfillment. I also support Islam's emphasis on the family as the functional unit of life. Both of them have pretty much gone to hell.
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i have provided figures and facts, can you do the same?
Yes you provided (rather copy pasted) certain facts, but you also passed a lot of assumptions as fact:
1)The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps
-of course not, they prefer the language "educating the youth of tomorrow in the IDF"
2)The Jews don't traffic slaves
-I don't know what slaves Palestinians/Arabs/Middle Easterns traffic, but human trafficking between Eastern Europe and Israel is huge
3)
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
-not fact
4)Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!
-Now you're sounding like the bible
5)Palestine is hardly the Vatican for Muslim ppl as Israel is for jews.
-Might be the only thing you've said that makes sense.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:52 pm
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puk wrote:
I am not educated in scripture (bible, torah, koran)
its hardly an education, i call it fairy tale reading.
puk wrote:
but I am familiar with the origins of christianity. I support the Christian belief of rejection of personal gains at the cost of spiritual fulfillment.
well you wont be getting any spiritual fulfilment playing video games
puk wrote:
_Master_ wrote:
i have provided figures and facts, can you do the same?
Yes you provided (rather copy pasted) certain facts, but you also passed a lot of assumptions as fact:
you know very well the facts i meant, you conveniently took the para at the end of the forward. i am talking about the figures of the nobel laureates. that itself speaks a lot about Islamic culture. I also posted the link in my prev post about the lslamic women poet. if you have not read i would also encourage you to read the comments at the end of the page. See some ignorant ass comments posted b some islamic illiterate person against this woman.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:11 pm
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_Master_ wrote:
you know very well the facts i meant, you conveniently took the para at the end of the forward. i am talking about the figures of the nobel laureates. that itself speaks a lot about Islamic culture. I also posted the link in my prev post about the lslamic women poet. if you have not read i would also encourage you to read the comments at the end of the page. See some ignorant ass comments posted b some islamic illiterate person against this woman.
Should we add Africans to the list as well? I'm assuming not too many Africans have won Nobel prizes. I do not believe that a list of Nobel Laureates has any factor in the guilt or innocence of Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims (I still don't know who your target is)
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:49 pm
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your simply trying to evade the direct question and throw the conversation off.
but well if you want to add africans then yes, please do. a lot of africans are converted to islam too. look at nigera, every day in northern parts of nigeria some1 is killed in islam vs christian war.
puk wrote:
I do not believe that a list of Nobel Laureates has any factor in the guilt
who is talking about guilt? you dont have to take this personally. look at the religious ideology exploiting illiterate unimaginative people in the name of god. look at priorities. islamic priorities are different, ie jihad prize. kill innocent people, terrorize them in the name of religion. ie you dont like my religion then according to the quran you are an infidel. it worked for the Mohammed in the olden times to drive away invaders and build a republic for political ideology. so some court jester was ordered to write an enhanced quran for official distribution, which all looked fine and dandy in those times. same goes for bible and other crap. (dnt even get me started on noahs ark)
btw what are the contribution of islamic nations today? by sheer luck they had oil under their asses, otherwise they would become like pakistan and they will in the next 50 years except perhaps uae. islamic nations need to shed their orthodox religious bs and start contributing to the world, instead of silly stupid issues like crying over a black towel over their faces. come out of darkness islam and all such idiotic religions. religions are only good for small children. you grow up, no god is gonna help you, only a human can help another human. so get over this stupid religious crap.
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:24 pm
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_Master_ wrote:
your simply trying to evade the direct question and throw the conversation off.
Then ask me a direct question, please don't make me sift through all of that.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:22 pm
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there's no way in hell that only 14 million jews exist in all the world.. but the nobel prize mostly get distributed and won by jews. (for example in 2001 a hungarian bloke Imre Kertesz got the prize for literature for writing a book about his experience of the holocaust).
of course if this is the competition of proportions of nations then the hungarians win. that's a fact. (hungary is a christian nation mostly, but almost all the winners are jews). but they have the most prize compareing to their population. they are only nine or ten million in number (that's less than the population of new york), but they already won 15 nobel prize (wikipedia only shows 10 somehow..).
also they're the winners when it comes to olympic medals too.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:12 pm
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craterface wrote:
there's no way in hell that only 14 million jews exist in all the world.. but the nobel prize mostly get distributed and won by jews. (for example in 2001 a hungarian bloke Imre Kertesz got the prize for literature for writing a book about his experience of the holocaust).
of course if this is the competition of proportions of nations then the hungarians win. that's a fact. (hungary is a christian nation mostly, but almost all the winners are jews). but they have the most prize compareing to their population. they are only nine or ten million in number (that's less than the population of new york), but they already won 15 nobel prize (wikipedia only shows 10 somehow..).
also they're the winners when it comes to olympic medals too.
There is only 14 million Jewish people...it's a fact.
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:12 pm
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Suislide wrote:
There is only 14 million Jewish people...it's a fact.
Google says that too. I'm surprised. I thought that they are 20 or 30 times more in number.
Looks like you took the bait, time for my educational show boating
Norman Finklestein was a PhD student at Princeton University where he was looking for a thesis topic (in Poli Sci) then he picked up this book called From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters. It's a book which claims there were no Palestinians in Palestine (contradiction in terms?) before the Jewish migration of the early 1900's. He flipped through it and quickly came up with 20 pages of factual inaccuracies. He discussed the matter with Noam Chomsky, and Chomsky said it was a good thesis topic, but that he would get into a lot of trouble because the book was in the NYT best sellers list and many academics had cited it as an incredible book. Finklestein went ahead with it, and Princeton wouldn't give him his PhD. Finklestein transferred to a new supervisor. Still no PhD. It got to the point where it was embarrassing for Princeton, so they agreed to give him his PhD.
Chomsky went on to describe how the book (From Time Immemorial) was released in the UK where academics are less restricted (according to him) and they just slammed the book. Along the lines of "This book does not even rise to the level of idiocy). At this point Chomsky mentioned Finklestein to several of the British academics. This was a huge disaster for the NYT. They had to reevaluate the book, but to avoid the "anti semitic" card, they got an Israeli to review the book again. I lost track of it from there. I don't know if they every apologized for their huge blunder. Finklestein even suggested that Joan Peters had plagerised large sections of it.
Looks like you took the bait, time for my educational show boating
look man i too dont have time to sift through all of that stuff you quoted.
i think the main topic got derailed. Now to get back to topic, my question is
what is the of contribution islamic nations nations post world war II? obviously jihad, oil and burka can be left out. so please enlighten us puk with your educational show boating.
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